Curse

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 10, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

check out mah results in my last post

both builds equal skill weapon and armor wise

moebius wins gg

BlackSephir · Jun 10, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Psyko

you say im wrong, but i dont see you actually testing my build correctly

/facepalm
Even half-witted gw player can say Hamstorm is bad without playing it. And I also don't like maths but here's the thing- maths doesn't lie. It shows that MS/DB spam > WoTA

Psyko · Jun 11, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

/facepalm
Even half-witted gw player can say Hamstorm is bad without playing it. And I also don't like maths but here's the thing- maths doesn't lie. It shows that MS/DB spam > WoTA

2 adjacent enemies, they dont die, your target doesnt either, you have enough energy to carry out each attack on recharge. every hit is max damage for a dagger, each skill does max damage, your attributes are 13 crit strikes and 12 dagger mastery and you will be attacking for 10 seconds...

Common skills are Critical Eye and Critical Agility, attacks are assumed to be 1 sec/swing

1sec-jagged strike, -6 hp/s (ill add all that up after im done) 17dmg
2sec-Golden Fang strike - DW 17dmg (technically thats -20% HP, keep that in mind)
3sec-Death Blossom - 177dmg
4sec-jagged strike - 17dmg
5sec-wild strke - 30dmg 17dmg
6sec-death blossom 240dmg 17dmg
7sec-jagged strike - 17dmg
8sec-golden fang - 17dmg
9sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
10sec-jagged strike - 17 damage

13% base crit- 1 crit
31% crit- i wont round up, i crit 3 of my dagger attacks
13% crit addition- not sure how to calculate this... so im going to add it as an extra attack critteed

5 attacks deal 24 dmg
-6hp/s x 10 = 60dmg (divided by 3 is 20, so jagged strike does 20 extra damage through that whole 10 seconds)

(5x24)+(5x17)+(3x240)+30+60=1015/10= 101.5dps (theoretically now, not to mention the Deep Wound that did 20% of the enemy's health somewhere in there...)

(ideally moebius will recharge your skills... im going to assume it does that all the time)
1sec-Golden Phoenix strike - 26dmg 17dmg
2sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
3sec-Moebius - 30dmg 17dmg
4sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
5sec-Moebius Recharging 17dmg
6sec-Moebius - 30dmg 17dmg
8sec-Death Blossom - 240dmg 17dmg
9sec-Moebius Recharging - 17dmg
10sec-Moebius- 30dmg 17dmg

13 base crit - 1 hit crits
13 added crit, again, assume an extra crit - 1 hit crits

(2x24)+(8x17)+(3x240)+60+26=990/10=99dps (again theoretcially)

"Math's doesn't lie" right?

edit:mixed up some crit chances :P

petrorabbit · Jun 11, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

I really don't see how you can say any other assassin elite is better than [Moebius Strike] in terms of pure dps.

As for the A/Mo build, it is just plain inefficient. If you are going to stack crit as much as possible, then lesser points in SA for [Way of Perfection] is better than points in Healing just for [Vigorous Spirit]. Those extra points can go into more dagger mastery to increase your crit and double strike percentages. There is no way you can emulate what MS does with any combination of dagger attacks. The closest that has been tried was [Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom] which I consider superor to anything with [Jagged Strike].

If you want to stack crit, that is up to you, but you won't fool anyone claiming that your WotA build is superior to MS/DB in any way. The screenshots tell enough of the story. I would even rank the build inferior to [Shattering Assault] because of the lack of utility and that fact that your chain gets shut down by any kind of block or blind.

If you like playing WotA, than at least play it efficiently and accept it for what it is: inferior to MS/DB in dps.

FlamingMetroid · Jun 11, 2008, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Psyko, we've shown you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing screenshots of MS/DB being better than WotA. By arguing now, you're just showing us how much of a pompous faggot you are. Please stop posting. If you want to believe something that is wrong, fine, just don't try to make others believe it.

Psyko · Jun 11, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Psyko, we've shown you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing screenshots of MS/DB being better than WotA. By arguing now, you're just showing us how much of a pompous faggot you are. Please stop posting. If you want to believe something that is wrong, fine, just don't try to make others believe it.

i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just as good as moebius.

petrorabbit · Jun 11, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Psyko

i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just not as good as moebius.

fixed

And if you don't want to believe that, go to QQ and see all the Moebius themed builds compared to all the WotA builds. Hell, even new Moebius builds get welled because of how they're so similar to each other.

FlamingMetroid · Jun 11, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Psyko

i have already told you why that test was inaccurate, failing to acknowledge that is why i keep posting. Im not being a faggot, im just very irritated that you wont at least admit that my build is just as good as moebius.

BECAUSE IT ISN'T, and by trying to say that it is, someone might believe you. The majority of good assassin players use MS/DB for a reason, and that is because it is the best build available. EVERY PERSON on this board has disagreed with you. Keep on convincing yourself that you're using the best build, just don't taint others. This is even worse that Kaleban's rant about Shattering Assault, because his argument at least had some validity. If you keep on posting I'm going to report you for continually supporting bullshit, despite the fact that everybody has told you you're wrong.

Psyko · Jun 11, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

BECAUSE IT ISN'T, and by trying to say that it is, someone might believe you. The majority of good assassin players use MS/DB for a reason, and that is because it is the best build available. EVERY PERSON on this board has disagreed with you. Keep on convincing yourself that you're using the best build, just don't taint others. This is even worse that Kaleban's rant about Shattering Assault, because his argument at least had some validity. If you keep on posting I'm going to report you for continually supporting bullshit, despite the fact that everybody has told you you're wrong.

i could say a number of things... a lot of them just insults, some of them proving you wrong again...

but i never intended this to get so out of hand, i never wanted to derail an entire thread. But i keep going, because i actually assumed there was someone out there who was willing to look at hard evidence and proof, and be a big enough man to admit he was wrong.

well, guess i am the only one willing to be that man.

I was wrong, sorry

FlamingMetroid · Jun 11, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Thank you.

oh, and by the way, nobody else admitted they were wrong because they weren't ;p

Psyko · Jun 11, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Thank you.

oh, and by the way, nobody else admitted they were wrong because they weren't ;p

oh wait a sec

you meant your THIRD screenshot... just saw that

ok... that build doesnt have jagged strike in it still. You need that skill, for the recharge.

Ok, i know i have been really annoying, but one last test. I use my build, you use moebius. Ill shut up if you win.

FlamingMetroid · Jun 11, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Psyko

oh wait a sec

you meant your THIRD screenshot... just saw that

ok... that build doesnt have jagged strike in it still. You need that skill, for the recharge.

Ok, i know i have been really annoying, but one last test. I use my build, you use moebius. Ill shut up if you win.

Psyko, you're wrong, and I'm done trying to prove it. The proof is already there, and now you're just trolling. Please, please, gtfo my internets.

Psyko · Jun 11, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Psyko, you're wrong, and I'm done trying to prove it. The proof is already there, and now you're just trolling. Please, please, gtfo my internets.

then at least tell me what mods are on the daggers you used and your attributes... If im wrong fine, want to know why...

FlamingMetroid · Jun 11, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Psyko

then at least tell me what mods are on the daggers you used and your attributes... If im wrong fine, but i still haven't broken 77 dps with moebius...

14 crit
14 dagger mastery

7-17 r10
+15% ench
1/-1
19% ench